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The Boone Show - S6 E9 - Tim Self, Executive Director of the AnMed Foundation
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We trace Tim Self’s journey from scout leader to foundation head, and unpack how gratitude, trust, and clear asks turn community giving into real healthcare impact. Community response, teen mental health, and workforce pipelines are among the chapters in an interesting and hopeful story.
• small-town roots and scouting lessons shaping leadership
• cookie tables to donor strategy and the art of the ask
• pandemic mask drive and supply chain workarounds
• what the AnMed Foundation funds and why it matters
• transactional vs transformational philanthropy
• repairing trust with genuine gratitude
• employee assistance for SNAP and WIC gaps
• teen mental health, stress literacy, and access
• workforce pipeline with ACTC labs and clinicals
• NICU growth, pediatrics expansion, oncology focus
• hiking spots, a James Garfield docuseries, and sushi picks
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Alright, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome. It's another edition of the Boon Show on MyPulse Radio. Glad to be with you. And uh we've got a great show planned as always. I don't know if they ever turn out great, but we have a great show planned. So uh we'll see what happens. I'm John Boone along with the boss lady Holly Herald.
SPEAKER_10:Hey, good evening. This is how many weeks in a row we've done this?
SPEAKER_08:Five.
SPEAKER_10:Five and this very next week. Right, because of Thanksgiving, of course.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. So it's been quite the streak.
SPEAKER_10:It has.
SPEAKER_08:And then we'll have two more after uh Christmas. I mean after Thanksgiving, before Christmas. And then we take a little boot.
SPEAKER_10:That's right. That's right. Gotta do that.
SPEAKER_08:Uh Danica's here. Say hi, Danica.
unknown:Hi.
SPEAKER_08:All right. She's pushing a few buttons here and there. And uh always pushing my buttons in class, but that's uh besides. Uh but our special guest tonight is the executive director of the AMMed Foundation, Mr. Tim Self. Welcome to the show. So glad to be here. Yes. So glad to have you. I've uh Well we'll see. I've heard for I've heard for a while we need to get you on. And last last week when I was saying, you know, he's coming on next week, Holly, she goes, Oh, that's great. He's crazy.
SPEAKER_10:He is, you just never know what's gonna come out of Tim's mouth. Ever.
SPEAKER_07:You know, at our house, my son's not that far of a chip off the block, and we say motorcycle brain with bicycle brakes. So get ready.
SPEAKER_10:Yes, that's true statement.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. Okay. So uh Tim, let's get going. Let's talk a little bit about uh your background, where you where you grew up and how you got where you are now.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. So I grew up in a little small town in East Tennessee called Greenback. And Greenback's about the size of Iva. And its distance from uh from Knoxville is about the same distance. And um one one school, K through twelve in one town. We've got one flashing light, a drugstore with uh with uh one of those uh hot counters that you can get hamburgers and everything else. And every time I go back to Tennessee, I I go have breakfast with my mom there, so that's a lot of fun. Uh been here now ten years, which is remarkable. Uh never really had intention of leaving. I was at the University of Tennessee Medical Center working in the development department, and uh we had a consultant in common that had been working with NMED and said they're looking for a new executive director of the foundation. Uh and I think it'd be great. We came over. Uh he told me that it was near uh Clemson University. Uh being the And you still came. Well, you know, I didn't know where it is, because you know, I'm I'm an SEC guy where it just means more. And we you know most we most of us didn't know where Clemson was back then. And so we came over uh fellow. Yeah, yeah. Well Tennessee. My Clemson buddies are quick to tell me that it's the wrong color.
SPEAKER_10:Well, it is the wrong color orange. I agree.
SPEAKER_07:So, you know, I d I do I do cheer for the Tigers, but I I I reserve my orange for Tennessee and wear purple. So when I've been at when I've been at Telgates, you look back at pictures, I'm always in purple.
SPEAKER_10:I'm trying to think. I probably I have some pictures.
SPEAKER_07:Yep.
SPEAKER_10:So I'll have to go back and check it out.
SPEAKER_07:Yep. So came over and uh working with the foundation now for ten years. We've done a lot of good things. I think we're gonna talk about that in a little bit. And also a lot more to do is just this is a growing area and is access demands for health care with people. No one likes to wait for anything these days. And so AMMeds expanding to uh meet what that need is in the region.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, I see AMED's popping up all over the place. They are.
SPEAKER_10:We just have one right down the road.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, exactly. That's what, an emergency center or yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10:Full emergency center, which is perfect. We don't have one in the area. So you do now? Now we do now you do one up in the room.
SPEAKER_07:And and there's imaging, lab services, there's physical therapy and primary care. So if you don't have a doctor, I I assure you they are taking new patients. So if you're tired of waiting and can't get in, give them a call.
SPEAKER_08:All right. So easy access. Um we'll get back to, as you mentioned, the AMET Foundation, but tell us about your family a little bit.
SPEAKER_07:So I'm uh uh married to my wife Elizabeth. We went to high school together. Uh 22 years. We did not date in high school. Oh, I know I pursued in high school, and she laughs about it because you know, here I was. I don't mean I was a catch. I was a scout, I was an ROTC member, I was class president, I had braces, so I was gonna have straight teeth. Yeah, all those just check all the boxes. And she wanted nothing to do with me.
SPEAKER_09:What's wrong with her?
SPEAKER_07:And so some so the summer after we after uh we graduated, she gave me a shot. And so uh, you know, we dated about six years and been married now 22 years. We have two great children. Uh I'm especially fond of them. Uh 13-year-old Ramsey, that's a eighth grader at McCanth Middle School, and Creed is a fifth grader at Concord uh elementary school.
SPEAKER_10:Very involved in scouts, both of your children.
SPEAKER_07:We are. We are. We've uh so uh Ramsey is uh as you know, the Scouting America, which was formerly the Boy Scouts of America. Uh they became uh, you know, they integrated genders and now there's girl troops and boy troops. And so she's a Star Scout and working diligently on that Eagle Scout, which hopefully we'll see in the next couple years. And Creed has been, this is his sixth year as a Cub Scout, so he's an AOL, Arrow of Light, and he's gonna cross over. And when they go over to Scouts, they become scout-led or boy led or youth-led, which means daddy's got to let baby bird out of the nest.
SPEAKER_10:Because you're very involved in it.
SPEAKER_07:But I'm a crybaby, so when he crosses over, it's gonna be something, I'll tell you that.
SPEAKER_08:That's pretty cool though. You had um a couple of stories from your scout leadership.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_08:I know one of them's the old uh uh good uh uh Girl Scout cookie sales story, which they're always good. Oh yeah. Um but t talk about when you just got into scouts and you weren't sure you were gonna be a leader. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Well, you know, I I mentioned you know, Greenback, my mom was a hardworking elementary school teacher, 39 years as a teacher, was a single mom, and scouting for me was that collective father figure. You know, all the leaders that volunteered uh that really poured into me in a way that taught me those those characteristics of scouting of citizenship, personal fitness, uh what it means to be uh develop your leadership skills. And then uh went through scouting and did not earn my eagle. It was one of a one of a regret in my life. I came down with what many people do is called the fumes, gasoline fumes and perfumes, and you get a little bit distracting Cars and things. Yeah, I mean, you get distracted with certain things in life, you know, par parts of your life. And then uh but I've always been connected with scouting. In fact, my first job out of college was as a uh I was a service learning scholar, so I knew I was gonna work in nonprofit management or something at some point. And it was with the Boy Scouts of America, I was a district executive and loved that job, and then later went into some other things. But um then as we had kids, we uh you know we said we knew we wanted to get involved. Ramsey was the first one to get into Scouts. Uh she was a Girl Scout. And man, I'm gonna tell you what, she could sell those cookies. Well, I remember one time we were out in front of uh the Walmart Marketplace on 81.
SPEAKER_10:Everybody does it.
SPEAKER_07:And um Gotta get the good spots. Oh yeah. That's it. Well, we we we we brought out some of our musical instruments and we would make music together. We taught taught them how to how to cast that line and say, hey sir, and then reel them in. You know, say, come on, you reel them in, just have some fun with it. And you know, and and being able to teach them that people want to support their efforts more so than maybe they want cookies or even with Boy Scouts later, popcorn. Popcorn is expensive. Right. And it's not no one wants the popcorn. Now people do want the cookies, even though the packages have gotten smaller and the price has gone up. That's still good. So goes life, so goes life. Um but saying you'll ha uh looking people in the eye and just saying, Hey, would you like to help support me meet my goals? And those goals are to go to camp, to learn, they don't say salesmanship, but just learn how to talk to people, and people respect that. You know, that whenever they were buying uh at the time, they think they were four dollars, and so they'd say, We get four boxes, and they'd say, How about teaching them how to say, well, how about five for twenty? That way I don't have to give you change.
SPEAKER_10:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Nobody ever gets disappointed with too many Girl Scout cookies.
SPEAKER_10:No, absolutely.
SPEAKER_07:You know, it's always that time they wish they got more. And so I this one time Ramsey was uh uh talking to some person and they asked if they had uh keto friendly cookies. And she kind of she had that look. So I just kind of chimed in and I said, No, they're not keto-friendly, but listen, they don't last long. They're free calories. And they got a good laugh out of that. And just showing her it's about connection. And you know, I think you know, anytime you run across young people that are trying to sell something for their school, scouts, or whatever, uh, you know, the the the putting themselves out there and asking people to help support them is a great lesson. And it's more so than what they're purchasing, but what it's representing. And you know, that was that was my case for me that got me later into fundraising is you know, is some all those I was the number one gift wrapping paper salesman in the elementary school and crispy cream donuts and all those sorts of things. But it's just about asking people to get involved, to help you, because people don't get involved if you don't ask them to do something. And uh so anyway, and also having fun with it. And then Ramsey was the another thing, uh, because uh Robbie I think appreciated this since he was a veteran and just passing Veterans Day, thank you to all of our veterans for your service. But uh, when someone would say, uh, well, I can't have those cookies, I got the sugar.
SPEAKER_09:Diabetes.
SPEAKER_07:And say, Well, you know what? If there was a way that you could help our troops, you would want to know about it, wouldn't you? Well, sure I would. And then she would just simply ask, Well, you know, if you buy some cookies, we'll send them to the troops and let them know how much you appreciate. So, do you want to do five boxes for twenty? Wouldn't that be helpful to say thank you to our troops for serving? And so just having fun with it and also watching their confidence grow is great.
SPEAKER_10:That's right.
SPEAKER_08:Back to the um the thin mints. Yeah. You didn't mention that. They they actually bought what, three boxes after you made that comment about the they're they may not be keto, but they don't last long. That's right. And uh and then overhearing your daughter a little later on using the same method. Oh, absolutely. You know, just take it and bridge it, bridge it to turn it into something else.
SPEAKER_10:Yes, that's what you want.
SPEAKER_08:That's right. Yep. Um, and speaking of the scouts and all that, you do a lot of outdoor stuff with your kids, don't you?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, I sure do. So, yeah, anytime we try to go anywhere, uh, we try to be outside. I mean, in fact, this next week we're gonna be in the Smoky Mountains and our family's from that East Tennessee area, so we'll find a way to go go hiking and spend the time out. You know, and that's you know young people are not out enough, I don't think, anymore. I don't think anybody's out enough anymore, you know, just to get outside and get grounded. And so one of our family goals is to go to all the national parks together. And we're up to sixteen so far.
SPEAKER_10:Oh, very cool.
SPEAKER_07:Yep. And so we've been in Alaska and we've been to Washington and we've been down to this past spring break, we went to St. John National Park and uh in uh down in the Caribbean. Uh, but with scouting, you know, one of the things that really got me involved as an adult leader was just watching some of my friends. Um one of them in particular is got named Timothy Clardy. He's an attorney in um in uh Anderson. You some of y'all probably know his wife, Shelby. They run the Bluckley Inn. But seeing Timothy engage with his son, his son Isaac's a couple years older than than my my son and my daughter, but watching him interact with those young people, uh, he's an Eagle Scout, and watching how parents leaned on him as he encouraged, as he led, as he guided those scouts, you know, I said that's something that I want to be. And he was a couple years ahead of us, like I said, but you know, I got to be a den leader with him, and I still lean on him today uh whenever I have questions. And I think that's you know, programs like scouting, there's that it's ran by volunteers, people that just genuinely want to get involved and make a uh a difference. And uh he's one of my heroes, certainly in scouting. So if you're listening, Timothy, thank you for all you do for our young people and for me.
SPEAKER_08:Where are some of the good places you go hiking in East Tennessee?
SPEAKER_07:Well, you know, there's a great hike in uh called Rocky Top. Y'all may have heard Rocky Top. I can sing it for you if you'd like. Well, that's all right. You know, uh Rocky Top is a good one. It's actual hike that you can do in the Smoky Mountains just outside of Cades Cove. Uh, probably my all-time favorite hike is a place called Mount Lacan. There's a lodge, and it's one of the top ten rated lodges by National Geographic Magazine. This past May, my daughter and I got to go up and hike up and spend the night, and it's an off-the-grid lodge. So, I mean, we've got oil lanterns, you've got it's a full service, but it's rustic. And uh so Mount Lacan is another favorite uh hike that I do, and then our namesake, you know, my daughter's name is Ramsey, there's a place called Ramsey Cascades in Greenbrier. So if you're ever coming over from I-40 from Asheville and you take that back road into Gatlinburg, that Greenbrier area, but that's where my family was from before the park came in, they got moved out, bought out by the park. And uh so that area has some family uh connections there. It's a pretty rugged trail with a great cascading waterfall. But anywhere in the Smoky Mountains is a whole lot prettier. It's real fun, right? Yeah, especially this time of year. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Um I think the last time I went hiking up there was uh at Fall Creek Falls.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Went hiking there, they and the waterfall was literally not even working. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was it had been so dry that you could go all the way down underneath. There was no water coming down off of it. But when it does come, that is also fantastic to see.
SPEAKER_07:Fall Creek Falls is more in middle Tennessee. Is it? And uh I like I like educating people in in South Carolina. You know, the three stars on the Tennessee state flag represents the th what they call the three grand divisions east, middle, and west. And it has more to do with topography of the state because the east is that Appalachian Range, World Sharp Hills, Middle Tennessee, as you probably recall from being at Fall Creek Falls, there's there's hikes, but it's plateaus, it's a lot of sandstone. And then West Tennessee is that uh Mississippi Delta plains and you know, large farms and other things. But there's a great place there too called the Big South Fork National Recreation Area. And it's one of the only rivers that runs north into Kentucky, it ends up going into Somerset, Kentucky. And there's some great hikes in there. And another another one of the top ten lodges is a place called Chariot Creek. And that's not Chariot, it's Chariot C-H-A-R-I-T Creek. And uh that's a great place to go. And the best part about that is you have a choice. You can take a mile hike down to it or a five-mile hike to get to it. So if you're on a fast track, you get there quick. If you want to take your time and stroll, then you can do the five mile. So unlike the Mount Lacan, which is way more strenuous from that standpoint.
SPEAKER_10:Very cool.
SPEAKER_07:That's cool. I always like to know a new place to go.
SPEAKER_08:I forgot where Fall Creek Falls was. I just remember being there. And thanks for straightening me out on that. Um, there's the the views there were just uh tremendous. All right, uh, we're gonna take a quick time out, and then Tim is going to educate us on the ANMED Foundation, what it does, what it's all about, how it works. That's coming up. You're listening to the Boon Show, My Pulse Radio.
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SPEAKER_08:Welcome back to the Moon Show on My Pulse Radio. Our special guest tonight, Tim Self, the executive director of ANMED Foundation. And uh before we even get to that, what what was your inspiration to get into such a field?
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, so going back to scouting, um, you know, I I was sitting in the parking lot of Marival College one night and going to a lock-in, an all-night lock-in, Cub Scout lock-in when I was a kid. And there was a guy named Brian Lincas, was the district executive, and I was telling my mom how much I liked him, and she said, you know, you ought to do that job one day. And I said, Really? I don't think I can do that. She said, Sure you do. You you like to help people. And talk. And I didn't and I didn't well get to that in a minute. I I didn't realize how profound that is, but when I in reflection realized that was probably that seed of, you know, that do good or nonprofit work. And uh then when I went to school at Marival College, I was what's called a Bonner Scholar, which is a service learning scholar, which required certain numbers of service hours. Uh each semester they helped you with books and per purchasing books and uh your tuition and some other different things. But that was really probably where it set forth that I was going to do this kind of work and devote to some kind of a nonprofit. Also, as Holly just said, like to talk. I mean, that's usually what people do. And working for the Boy Scouts, uh, volunteers uh were the two things volunteer and scout recruitment, membership, and raising money. And it turned out I was much better at raising money than I was at managing volunteers, because that can be tough. You gotta be you gotta be patient, we gotta have volunteers, but also you gotta know what lane uh to be in. That's right. And uh whenever I had the opportunity to go into some other fundraising opportunities, I've worked for the Kidney Foundation, uh National Kidney Foundation, worked for a uh United Methodist Children's Home up in Greenville, Tennessee, that served the Holston uh conference, and then had the opportunity to uh apply for a job at the University of Tennessee Medical Center. And um when I got to health care, that's when I was like, okay, I I have landed where where I need to be because any community that you that you live in, those greatest health care needs are are never going to go away, unfortunately. So there's always gonna be someone vulnerable, there's always gonna be someone in need, and and sometimes it's us. Sometimes it's us. So uh being able to be at that that connection of needs and resources is an awesome place for for someone that's in fundraising. And I think anyone in fundraising would tell you that, that you know, when you can connect those things and when people are willing to share their their resources to help others, uh that's a special place to observe.
SPEAKER_08:I tell you, that makes me think of you coming through the pandemic that must have been quite the challenge, both for raising money but also for how to distribute and help people.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. So I think that the you know the health care at COVID was a a uh rallying call for people to better understand how our health systems are not so much a just in case uh system. Everybody thinks it's just in case. Um because whenever we were hearing about the possibility, what if I go to the emergency room and people can't see me? And you know, in the times when we had better stewards of our time, you know, with everything, you know, you hear Aline, Sig Sigma, you know, we have uh, you know, from a just-in-case system to a just in time system.
SPEAKER_09:Right.
SPEAKER_07:That uh you know when the hospitals will say there's no beds, there's usually a bed. I mean, you know, in a room that's clean. It's that they don't have the people to serve and they've got to have those ratios to make sure that it's a safe environment for you to be in. And um, you know, between uh from fundraising, but also, you know, this community really stepped up, you know, coming from a textile community, uh, we said we need masks because of all the supply chain backup and issues. And we there was a leadership meeting, and we're like, what are we gonna do about masks? I mean, you know, people can't reuse these surgical masks, and we said, you know, let's see what we can do. And we went about uh doing a call out to the greater Anderson community, and all these old textile workers were able to pull out some of their old sewing machines. And you know, we've got 4,500 employees now, 3,500 or so then, but we were able to accumulate 12,000 handmade masks during that.
SPEAKER_10:Isn't that incredible?
SPEAKER_07:Where and and the and the idea was is that every healthcare worker got two. You know, you got one to wear and then the other one you washed in between, and that way you had a fresh mask and then some extras if if we needed to be. But then then there were communities that were able to step up and give resources like those masks. And ACTC was one of the first partnerships that said, hey, we've got some things in our health sciences building. Here's can this help? Other health uh independent uh physicians, dentist office, and others said, Hey, maybe these uh N95 masks that we have here, I think you guys might need them more than we do. Here's a couple of g gallons of bleach, because we don't know what you're gonna need to do to sanitize and clean. So it became a rallying cry in many ways, and even from the fundraising standpoint, many uh corporate partners and businesses said, man, without health care, we're all gonna be in a bind. And what can we do to contribute? And I think that that has carried forward even since uh twenty uh twenty twenty for us anyway, and build some good relationships and partnerships.
SPEAKER_10:Oh, I know for sure. You know, we've we had so many issues during that time. I mean, everybody did, right? It was it it we learned so much. It was a horrible time for our society in general for for for health reasons. But to me, we got together so much, we talked so much more, we communicated about what people need and we pitched in together and did it. I mean, John, you remember the show, that's where this came from. You know, I mean, COVID is what brought us here together where we're sitting right now, where we've been doing this for six seasons. Um, but we we met so many people when we were doing our show and how many people we all came together and we all did the support. It was incredible. So, yes, it was a a pandemic, yes, it was a horrible uh time in in in people's lives. But I go back to my life and and our lives here at ACTC and how much more strong we got during that time as a community.
SPEAKER_07:Oh yeah. I think that you know we are all individuals and we str we we we demand our individuality, correct? But there was such a collectiveness that we all were able to be a part of, not just witness, but to be a part of in that moment. I remember someone saying, I don't know if it's a podcast or somewhere, that we're gonna look back and even though it's scary and none of us want to do it again, there's there's gonna be some really good time. And w the other day, you know, the nice thing about time hop and using our phones and pictures is uh there was a picture that popped up just the other day with my children, and it was a chalkboard, and it said, Today is November the 14th. Your teacher today, Mr. Self, aka Daddy. Right. Motto for the day, you're gonna learn today. And there's a picture of my kids just they didn't they didn't think it was funny. I thought it was hilarious. I'm still laughing today. But you know, but but but then but even though it was a struggle, the uh the time that we got to spend with the family in those close quarters, we're not gonna get back. I mean, that was really special. And granted, there were people there were people that lost people, which is so sad.
SPEAKER_09:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Uh that that that that but you know, but there was some togetherness now that I think some of us still yearn for of that.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. So tell us what exactly now, for anybody that's wondering, um, what the AMMED Foundation does. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:So our our we are what's called a soul support foundation. Our job is to sub to uh fill gaps and needs for ANMED as they m seek to to address the greatest health care needs of our community. That's not any different than any other health care foundation. Their job is to find out what whatever it is that operations budgets many times can't fit into uh what is it that we can do uh to um to help with that, to bring those. Pulling in the parking lot today, I was having a conversation with our emergency department people. Uh, we had a donor call and said, hey, we'd like to do something before the end of the year. And you know, with the recent uh doge and a lot of the cuts of federal governments and grants, uh there's an organization in town called First Light, you know, and they help with uh things related to um any type of uh a trauma that's a sexual assault or other things.
SPEAKER_10:But they just don't know specifically children.
SPEAKER_07:And and children and children, but they also do adults. And and they're there to walk with as advocates, but also to help educate and get resources. Well, those resources are going away. And there's a there's a particular certification called SANE, uh Sexual Assault Nursing Examiner. And now nurses are able to do exams, but that that type of certification, when they go to court, that's what separates their evidence collection versus those that can be thrown out because of, you know, just that they they weren't quite they didn't have the certification to do that. You know, it's$2,500 between their test, between their their education proportion, and then they have to do some clinical roundings that's specific to that work that they can't put apart of. Then they got another 300 hours. And we need ten of those. We've got we've got three that we've that work very diligently and take their job very serious. But we need ten of those so that way at any point on a shift, if someone presents, not if, but when someone presents, we've got the resources to meet. And while the hospital will, you know, we've got those three, there's possibility of that donor that can say, hey, you know, for those ten that you need, here's$25,000, so that way we can remove the barrier so that need can be met. I'm not a healthcare worker, but you know what? I can fund those so they can get the resources they need, so that if my neighbor or my family or I need that, that that's there. You know, so you know that discovering where those needs are, sometimes we call it the excellence gap in my my business. You know, the excellence gap is that margin is so little that only way that that gets fulfilled is by people collectively caring enough to give their resources so that we can accomplish things together that we otherwise would not.
SPEAKER_08:Well, you shared uh before the show five points of how it all works with raising the money. First off, the philosophy of philanthropy.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. So philanthropy, number one, you know, it can't the the the term philanthropy, people think it's just a term that represents the Carnegies of a hundred years ago, the the Duke, uh the Duke Foundation, you know, different things that uh uh uh people, but really what what philanthropy the word means is for the love of mankind. So there's many ways we we're philanthropists. It's we we can give our time to serve, that's part of being a philanthropist. You know, many times we say it's dollars, and and certainly that that is the point. Now, that is what I'm professionally trained to do is to uh John to separate you from your money to meet the greatest needs of our health care. Right. And and and there is a way you would there was if there was a way that you could help people, you would want to know about it, right? See, I got y'all rolling you in. Yeah right, reeling you in. But the philosophy of philanthropy, you know, really goes back to that Puritan tradition that the United States was founded, you know, some and somewhere there's a little even guilt in that, you know, that res uh that uh reciprocity uh when somebody does something good for me, I want to do something to give back. And and in that moment of gratitude, that is where some beautiful philanthropy does is that why am I writing this thousand dollar check to this organization mission? I should be conserving this for me, and then releasing that to say, I hope that this does good. And many times we don't know that impact that someone is going to be able to have. You know, I was I was impacted in college by the Bonner Foundation, and there was a family that had uh resources that made that available to many universities and colleges around the country because they saw that we needed more service people. I've never met the Bonners, but they impacted me, and I know that there's other people that they that they've impacted. So when we look at that philosophy and we think about what that philosophy is, it's really how do I do as much good with the resources that I have to help as many people as I can. Second point, what motivates donors? You know, uh gratitude is one of the best places that motivates donors. And I tell uh I tell some people at the at the medical center there's three kinds of philanthropy, if I were to put it in, you know, the I think the one that we're most familiar with is what I call transactional philanthropy. I buy a ticket, I attend event, uh, I have a great time. Uh and by the way, we're helping meet the need with whatever that margin might be. Uh I need to coin this term. It's called philanthropement. Many times it's philanthropement. And and and you know, it's a way to get people in the door, uh, but many times people can walk out and not even realize, you know, what the impact was there for. That's right. Right. And so, or you know, the transaction of um, you know, you interact with somebody selling Girl Scout cookies or Boy Scout pop cookies.
SPEAKER_10:Or a raffle ticket for our small building. There you go.
SPEAKER_07:Yes, that's it. I mean, so you know, it's so so there can be some almost an exchange, right? Right. Then I call what I talk about in that moment of gratitude is transformational philanthropy. And the transformation happens in two ways. The first part is that because I gave something transformed to be better and a need was met that was not there before. The other part That transformation is when you look in the mirror. That I'm proud of what it is that I was able to do. And guess what happens? That moment fades. And John, do you know how you get it back? I don't know. You gotta give it again. That's right. I want that feeling. That's right. You gotta give it back. And then and then the third, which can blend into all this, is relational. You know, we trust people, relationships um make things happen. Uh Holly and I got to spend a year together in a program called Leadership South Carolina. We traveled across the state. We learned a lot about different industries, needs of our of our great state. And um, one of the things that we got to talk about was the needs of the health uh health uh health sciences program here at ACTC. And we got to talking about, you know, what what were some of the barriers to our students making that education to career transition?
SPEAKER_10:Specifically patient care technician for the NMED hospital. Right. They needed it.
SPEAKER_07:Well they needed it, but what were your barriers?
SPEAKER_10:Right. We had money barriers.
SPEAKER_07:But you know, students couldn't come to that right. There was somewhere there was some rule that you had to be 18 years old.
SPEAKER_10:Well, yes, that too.
SPEAKER_07:Usually even 21, it was very difficult. And I think institutions put up these barriers that at the time it made sense. Well now across particularly rural America, you know, we've got a shortage of health care workers at all levels. Right. And you know, we want to retain our talent in our towns, period. So, you know, particularly in Anderson uh uh school districts one and two, they've got an option. They can go north and they can go to Greenville, and there's two health systems there, but we want to keep them here. And so one you you a you said, hey, how can our students get in? Relationally, guess what? It turned out I was good friends with a guy named Dr. Stoney Abercrombie, who's the dean of our medical education program with MUSC. And I said, Are you willing to have a conversation? Sure. And that's all that it took. And that barrier fell and students happened. The other thing we realized at that moment, our chief nurse, Shonda Trotter, is a graduate of this program from 1997. Yep. And so, and then the second thing was is we needed to update the um the education space. And your students were learning on beds and and equipment that was 20, 30 years old. And I'll tell you, if you get health equipment now, it's already out of date. That's how much technology is changing, right?
SPEAKER_09:That's right.
SPEAKER_07:And so we went about trying to figure out how we could partner with some of our vendors so that way the students are learning on equipment today so that when they make that transition, they're not having to learn new equipment. It's very familiar. And also, we got you some what?
SPEAKER_10:Some bet oh, some money to renovate a facility. So we actually have in our health science lab, we actually have a room that looks exactly like an ANMED hospital room. Right. It is to dimension-wise, everything when you walk in, it looks exactly like when you go into the hospital room. Well, the bathroom's a little bigger because we got to get 20 students in there to be able to shower somebody. So it is a larger bathroom. But other than the bathroom, the the the room itself is exactly everything on the back of the wall, uh, to the oxygen, to the machines that we use, everything is exactly like when the students go and work for ANDMED.
SPEAKER_07:Right. And so we talk about collaboration. Think about that.
SPEAKER_10:That's important.
SPEAKER_07:Philanthropy help connect, a need for students to be able to have just-in-time education. We want to keep our great talent here in our community. Uh ANMED needs great talent, so we've already got an inventory if we can remove those barriers. Then we need to update facilities. ANMED passed through the money, but it was not ANMED money that invested this. We had a donor that was interested in ANMED and said, Tim, what is your need? We need uh technicians. Well, what does it need? We need fifty thousand dollars in order to invest to help them update this, and our engineering department is going to advise these students that will learn how to build it. And so there were so many unique components of collaboration, but also gifting to make this community better, ultimately to meet that meet the greatest needs of our community.
SPEAKER_10:And now our students leave us with the CNA certification, with the which is the certified nursing assistant, the PCT certification, which is the patient care technician, and they do their clinical hours at ANMED, all because of this relationship of being able to get together and figure out how we can fix the problem for all of us.
SPEAKER_08:Right.
SPEAKER_10:So it it was a full circle.
SPEAKER_08:Yep. Something I'm very proud of. Yes. And that's just one example. That's just one example. That's your job. Right. Uh you did skip ahead though. You did uh answer the transactional versus transformational. That's a nice blend. That was. Um the the one negative part you had in here is how confidence can be lost. So putting it in a positive way, how can it not be lost? Yeah. Thank you. Or the lack thereof.
SPEAKER_07:So while gratitude. So while gratitude is, you know, the key to engaging and inviting people to participate and get involved with you, the lack of gratitude or the or the the disingenuousness of a possible gratitude, you know, whenever you get that letter from an organization that says your gift has helped us do this, you are so important to us. And then whenever all of a sudden maybe you don't give that year. Whether you maybe that they did something you didn't like, or maybe you forgot, and then you realize, well, was I really that important? Nobody, nobody called me to ask me. And there was a situation where I I was uh uh donor to an organization. There were some things that adjusted, and and I say looking back, it was pretty petty. I got my feelings hurt. I'm a sensitive guy, John. Uh I told you I'm gonna I'm a cry baby, I'm gonna cry whenever Creed crosses over as an AOL student. But but but uh you know something happened, and I don't know what it was, but I decided, hey, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna give this year. And I didn't get that letter. But this went on about two or three years, and um and reflection, like it hurt me more that I wasn't supporting something that was important to me than it was that you know I kind of got my feelings hurt by somebody who I didn't have that great of a relationship with. And I was meeting with a donor for the Methodist Children's Home that was also a trustee of this organization. And I loved the fact that he did this. And our conversation, he said, you know, Tim, uh I noticed that before you were involved with us, but I don't see you on our donor role anymore. Um have you not given this year, or is there something I should know about? And I and I expressed it to him. And he said, You know, Tim, I'm sorry that that happened. I hope that you would consider uh supporting us because you know the work we do matters. And he invited me back. And so gratitude comes in different ways. But also the other thing is is oftentimes we avoid conflict. Any something that could felt make us uncomfortable. And that I think that's an opportunity. That's not that's not something to shy away from. And we may not get another donor back, but at least we can salvage a relationship that can open doors maybe later uh by just owning whatever it was that happened, even though that we weren't a part of it. You know, a key statement I made, if I was in your shoes, I would probably feel exactly the same way. I'm sorry that that happened to you, and I hope that one, it'll never happen again, but two, you sharing it with me might will give me the opportunity to try to prevent somebody else from experiencing that. And and people are generally, you know, receptive to that, but it's got to be genuine. And I think that when you invite people to get back involved and you do it in a meaningful way, then they're appreciative of that. In fact, I think it's even stronger if that's the case. If you if they lose their confidence in you, you can gain them to come back.
SPEAKER_08:And the last point you had on there was volunteerism, which you've kind of a little little bit referred to so far. But uh tell us more about that.
SPEAKER_07:Sure. Uh you know, even I mean you know we talk about engagement, I mean that's volunteerism. Even sometimes when we're paid in our jobs, what is it that causes us to go above and beyond? And uh that volunteerism doesn't just come from me from that being a Tennessee volunteer. Uh it comes from that standpoint of where do I want to spend my time? Because even though we raise resources, our time is our greatest resource. And that that volunteer time with who we spend time with, that volunteerism with the organization. Uh re recently I've gotten involved the last two years at our church, First Presbyterian of Anderson, and we do have something called First at First. And it's Saturday on s first Sunday of each month, we have an open table. And it's really easy to say it's for the homeless because we're near the Salvation Army, we're near Hope Mission, and there's a lot of people that hang around in that area. But oftentimes it's families that are just struggling and they just need a a meal, and it gives them a break. And these are people that I otherwise would not most of us would just pass and not pay any attention. But we learn that, you know, therefore, but by the grace of God, things can change in our situations and I can be in that situation. And sometimes it's just a matter of sitting down with somebody and talking with them about what their what their condition is. And maybe I can't help, but just that acknowledgement is a sense of humanity and appreciation. Um two weeks ago, whenever we did it this last time, there was there we had more than a normal group. And I think a lot of it had to do with the government shutdown and with the elimination of SNAP and wick benefits. And there was somebody that I was talking to who was a retired employee of ANMED, and um, you know, and he was saying, you know, that he needed to do something because he wasn't going to get his benefits. And that led to a conversation back at the hospital uh that last week that uh we have something called the Employee Financial Assistance Fund. Every donor or every employee of ANMED is eligible for a up to a$1,000 grant due to a financial crisis due to no fault of their own. And there's there's there's mitigating factors that we have on a matrix to to test that, and they've got to verify it in many ways. But um SNAP and WIC benefits ending because the government should certainly not anyone's fault. We said what what can we do to relax these requirements? Because you've only got to be there for a year, you've got to be in good standing and some other things. And with our executive team, we made a recommendation to our trustees, and we relaxed those rules that anybody working at ANMED, full-time, part-time, PRN, even on FMLA, contract workers, if your SNAP or WIC benefits were interrupted, we were gonna match you dollar for dollar. And uh we didn't know what kind of expectation, what kind of retirement, what what kind of you know, requests we were gonna have. With uh 4,500 employees, we were anticipating about a at least a hundred is what the kind of our our our estimation was gonna be. And we were expecting probably about nine hundred dollars per person. And we decided that we were gonna do fifty percent at a time, so you know, the first of the month, and then wait to see what happened and then do the other fifty percent. But the average uh snap benefit was four hundred dollars. And and to meet a somebody, and it wasn't just your frontline workers in the cafeteria or or you know in the uh environmental services, I mean that that it was remarkable to me of how many people. But they would reveal themselves, we would get it approved, and our our accounting team was able to cut a check that day. We could get them approved and get a check that day. We would go pick it up, we would text them, we would go on that floor or meet them in the lobby and very quietly give them that check. And to see a single mother, you put a$200 check.
SPEAKER_10:Oh, that's huge.
SPEAKER_07:I mean, I can blow two hundred dollars really quick. Yes. Right? Take that for granted. But you put that two hundred dollar check in someone's hand and they go, Groceries. And they can feed their kids. They can feed their kids, and and to me that's just dignity.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And you know, the government opened back up and we're not collecting those dollars, we're not verifying those dollars. Somebody said, What if they don't what if they don't do well with what we're supposed to do? Hey, the only answer for that's the Pearley Gates one day. That's an issue, right? Our job is to give. But all those dollars were given by our employees, by our employees, and we have such a great culture of our employees that give, I mean, healthcare workers in general got to care about people. Um we have 66% of our employees that give to the ANMED Foundation across about 54 funds that are specialized service lines, that are employee assistance, whatever their interest is, where their impact is. The average giving of healthcare philanthropy employees is 24%. Oh my god. And I'm not saying that we're not bragging. I think it's part of the culture that we live in. It's a great area that people want to give. But the number one reason why someone gives to anything or volunteers is because they're invited. And I think that's where that key of that philosophy is. That how do you get gain confidence? It's the invitation. Would you like to get involved? How could you make a difference? And do something meaningful. And meaningful means different things to different people. And to be able to be at that crux of being able to represent them uh was really gonna be when I look back, I know that that was a watershed moment that's gonna be a highlight of my my career of what we were able to do. All in said, that we helped 35 people, two people with WIC, and our full distribution was eleven thousand dollars. How cool the dollar amount was not that much, but the impact, there were people at other health systems that we were getting feedback from. I heard what you all are doing, and that's awesome. And it's just people taking care of people.
SPEAKER_10:That's right. Very cool.
SPEAKER_08:If people want to know more about the AMMed Foundation, how can they do that?
SPEAKER_07:Well, you can go to anmed.org and top right corner of the website, you can see a button that says give now. You can learn different things. Uh, you know, one of the our main events that we have annually is called the Camellia Ball, and you can go to Camelliaball.com. It's our annual Gala event that showcases different uh strategic priorities. Uh this year in 2025, we focused on expansion of our pediatrics and children's services. Uh one, just those pediatric uh pediatricians just go see the doctor. Uh ANMED, we've hired two new neonatologists, and so we have a NICU now at ANMED that we did not have that. Our donors are helping what fund that. Uh this next year we're gonna be focusing on oncology and expansion of uh cancer services. And um, so if people want to get involved from that standpoint, but when you go go to anmed.org and you go to the ANMED Foundation section, uh, you can learn a lot about it. Or, hey, listen, you can just call Tim self at 864-245-7008.
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SPEAKER_08:I'm back on the boon show on MyPulse Radio with Tim Self, the executive director of the AMEV Foundation. Uh did a survey today uh just for you, Tim, because I want to do something health related for uh my uh sophomore class this morning. We always do some kind of discussion question to get things started. So I asked them, and you can comment on this, and Holly, you obviously see a lot of this uh with seeing all these kids all the time. Top teen health issues according to them. Um and number one, by far, what do you think it was? Restate the question. Okay, I asked them what they thought the top teen health issues are. I hate to say it, but suicide. Believe it or not, that wasn't on the list. How about sleep? But something that could lead to stress? Yeah, we'll get sleep was number three.
SPEAKER_10:Okay.
SPEAKER_08:Sleep was number three.
SPEAKER_10:How about vape?
SPEAKER_08:Vaping was number two. You need to go in family feud. Was it six, seven? There were a bunch that were after the top three, like uh attention span stuff, yeah, ADHD, eating disorders, body disorder. Right, right. Self-esteem was in there that could lead to further problems because of self-esteem, bullying, and everything that goes into number one. They said this themselves mental health. Mental health mental health. Mental health, depression, anxiety, uh genetic reasons for mental health issues.
SPEAKER_10:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_08:Uh almost half the class, one short of half the class gave mental health as the number one health issue with teenagers nowadays. And you know, what uh what are the health systems that you're familiar with uh doing about some of those things?
SPEAKER_07:So, you know, we had an expansion of our behavioral health center four years ago, and uh we had a uh expansion of our adult and then our geriatrics service. So one, I think COVID did destigmatize to some degree, or maybe not destigmatize, but allow people the the safe space to say, hey, I need help, and also for me to approach, uh you okay? Yeah, what can I do? And that demonstration. Um, you know, there's a growth of other mental health resources that are growing in our community. Uh there's another center being built uh that's gonna have an adolescent center in Pattersville, uh as a matter of fact. Um but but you know, but ultimately I think that regardless of whatever kind of facilities, because facilita somebody going to facility is not necessarily help. That that's crisis intervention, right? It's how do how do we get how do we have some sort of a interaction, not even intervention, but an interaction for people to have resources before it escalates before it gets to that. I know that the United Way of Anderson County has been doing what's called uh doing going to different agencies and teaching a course called uh mental health first aid. So just like our scouts, we get first aid training and how to do bumps and bruises and scratches. But there's um but but there's some community training now and and mental health first aid about recognizing uh how do we how do we uh acknowledge people, how do we get them help sometimes that that we're that we're not enabling, and I don't know where those balances are sometimes until we too late. But I think that that's some things that but ultimately I think the biggest thing is people are more open to what that means.
SPEAKER_10:And I think our students being aware that that is an issue is huge. To be aware that you know what, my friend right here, fifty percent, might need it, and the friend next to me if I don't. Right. So them just being aware of it and being able to talk about it, I think is huge. Because ten years ago would we have necessarily done that?
SPEAKER_07:Oh, we said pull your nine together. Pull yourself to pull it together, right? I mean it's you know, be that rocket that's putting itself together, just you know, rejuvenate. But but but you know, but I think there's you know there's a lot of conversation as a scout leader going through some training about uh young people, I think COVID had an effect on it, about coping skills, just some coping skills. How do we how do we how do we develop some uh mental resilience and also perspective, helping build some perspective on uh what are we worried about? Just past week we did something at our church youth group. It was a conversation on stress and how do we how do uh what are some ways that can help us not just cope but also to manage that before it becomes distress. And agreeing that str all stress is not bad, right? Right. Stress is what tells me to get up and get out of the building if the fire alarm comes on.
SPEAKER_10:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Right? Right. But you know, it's uh stress causes us to get to work on that project or study for that test that we're saying, but how but that it doesn't become all consuming, right?
SPEAKER_10:And that it's it's it's okay to talk about it. Like it's okay to talk about it.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like a lot of people don't like talking about it because they don't know who to talk to. Like I have a lot of people that come to me about their issues and stuff, but whenever somebody else like um they'll come to me about their issues and then they'll try to go to somebody else about it and they won't listen to them, but they'll tell them their problems. Like they just don't know who to go to.
SPEAKER_07:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Awareness.
SPEAKER_07:Daddy, I don't need you to do it for me. I need you to let me learn for myself. So where is that where's that balance you would think with your peers of having someone that you can trust to share with and that line of, hey, I don't need you to fix it, I don't need you to tell me what to do. What would you say to that?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know.
SPEAKER_07:You don't know? But is that true with my what my 13-year-old says? Is that yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:And that's that's and you know, her answer is why we gotta talk more, uh, make our own selves available and they need to talk to them, their own people, like you said, only the same row of kids might have two people struggling with it on average. That's that's the fifty percent. So and I think it has become a lot uh bigger since COVID.
SPEAKER_10:So you got education, you've got awareness, and you gotta have some type of way that a comfortableness from a student to say, I need it, or I've got issues or whatever. However, you right to admit it.
SPEAKER_07:Hey, we're dealing with it in healthcare. I mean, doctors, I mean they're calling it. They're calling it you know COVID P PTSD, nurses, you know, they're having COVID PTSD. And that because that we demonstrated what we were able to do to rise to that occasion, and that level of service has not changed. And they you know they have a t tendency to internalize. Yeah. A lot of all of us do internalize, but eventually, it's like a soda can. If you shake it up long enough, guess what's gonna happen? Yeah, it's gonna pop.
SPEAKER_08:It's gonna pop.
SPEAKER_09:That's right.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. I refer back, and uh the last time we had a medical conversation, I referred to the pit on TV. Have you watched that, Tim? I have not. Uh that's I'm familiar with it, but I've not watched it. They they address a lot of PTSD among doctors and such on that that program. So uh all right, before we wrap things up, we always get the guest recommendations. Can I get hollow uh not Holly, she doesn't produce stuff. Danica does. You need to produce like some music or something. The guest recommendations. All right, because this is where selfishly I get a lot of uh ideas too of things to watch and and and things to eat, places to go. So uh two areas, Tim. First one, entertainment. Do you have something you can recommend to our listeners that uh they can binge a movie they can go to or watch on TV, whatever, um a book to read, anything, anything entertainment related.
SPEAKER_07:So there's a new series on Netflix about James Garfield. And it is talking about lightning, something like Lightning doesn't strike something with lightning. Right.
SPEAKER_10:I know. I saw it pop up this morning, actually.
SPEAKER_07:It's only four or five episodes.
SPEAKER_10:Yep.
SPEAKER_07:And yes, I binged it. So I went to binged it. Well, it's it's uh I would say that's very enlightening because they called uh uh he and uh James Garfield and um see I can't even recall the next president, but they were called the Forgotten Presidents.
SPEAKER_09:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:But it's it's it's a good story.
SPEAKER_08:And that's brand new, easy to find on Netflix. All right. And uh what about a restaurant, place to eat, specific dish, whatever? You know, our family loves sushi.
SPEAKER_07:And Maki. Maki is killing it in Anderson. In fact, you know, they're gonna open up that, they're expanding. Oh in fact, I think today at lunch they opened up like their new uh two buildings over, they've expanded. And so that you know, what I my favorite role is the Electric City roll with fresh sliced jalapenos on it. Oh yeah, not chunked, sliced, then sliced jalapenos. And also my friend Timothy Clardy that I referred to earlier, says they've got the best dessert in downtown. Now, I don't think it's the best, but I'll call it the most unique.
SPEAKER_10:What is the dessert?
SPEAKER_07:It's a fried cheesecake.
SPEAKER_10:Oh it sounds fantastic.
SPEAKER_07:I mean, it's one of those you can only eat like once every two years, but it's pretty good. It's real good.
SPEAKER_10:So, what's in your role that you like, the Electric City roll?
SPEAKER_07:So it has tuna, uh so it's uh Shoshimi tuna. Uh it has some um I don't know what's in it. It's just good. I don't know. It just tastes good. There's certainly some avocado in it. There's some avocado that that that's in it. Um I think there's some shrimp. But it's just it's just good. It's good.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. All right. Um looks like I've just looked it up while you were talking about sushi. Death by lightning, the life, assassination, and aftermath of U.S. President James A. Garfield. All right. And um, let's see. Um okay. It didn't say who the other president was, but it says the his assassin, Charles Gateau and uh and Garfield, the two main stars that uh in that movie play those characters. Yeah. Mental health. Mental health.
SPEAKER_07:We can talk about mental health. Because it was it was an issue of mental health with somebody. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Got him.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, no doubt. Um, what are you doing for Thanksgiving? So we're uh heading to Tennessee.
SPEAKER_08:Going home. Going hiking this.
SPEAKER_07:You know, it's funny you say home. A couple years ago, I told you about breakfast with my mom at the Greenback Diner. Uh she has breakfast with one of her old teacher friends, and she said, You know, Timothy, when are you moving home? They call me Timothy back in back in town. When are you moving back to town back home? And my mother cut me off and she says, He is home. This is home now. I mean, Anderson's been good to us. This our children don't know it really do not have any awareness. They were born in Tennessee. But um they uh but you know, this is home now. So we're going back to Tennessee to visit family. Uh both gonna see my in-laws, and then we're gonna do something a little different. We're gonna go to Middle Tennessee, not far from Far Fall Creek Falls, to a town called Hillsborough.
SPEAKER_09:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:And some friends of ours have a farm, an old f uh farm, um, Century Farm, and they get together, and so we're gonna do some uh clay shooting, uh some football watching, uh riding on a mule. Uh now that's one of those motorized mule, not a not an actual mule. Yeah. But you know, but but but we're just gonna be out, we're gonna be outside. It's gonna be great weather, it looks like, this next week. So amazing weather. Right? And just uh hopefully we'll be where there's no cell phone service so that way we can put you know, otherwise it's put our phones down so we can be together.
SPEAKER_08:That's awesome. That sounds uh just about perfect. Um before I ask the other two what they're doing. Um one other question. You mentioned your your one child, Ramsey, who's named after a place, right? It's close.
SPEAKER_07:My my grandfather's name was Creed Ramsey. Oh, so that's both Kids. So they both they both carry the name, that's correct. And uh that was my mother's father. Okay and so and I've got a cousin who's in the Air Force stationed in Charleston, whose name is Creed Ramsey. And so uh he was a pretty cool guy.
SPEAKER_08:Oh, okay. And what was the place that you mentioned that was Ramsey at Ramsey's?
SPEAKER_07:Ramsey Cascades that's in the Greenbrier area on the kind of behind the Gatlinburg area, Cosby area of the Great Smoky Mountain National.
SPEAKER_08:Um I was afraid you would name uh Creed after the the band.
SPEAKER_07:Ah sometimes I get sometimes I get Apollo Creed, you know, from Rocky. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And then there's a there's a character, you know, on Office. On the Office, his name was Creed. His name is Creed.
SPEAKER_08:I mean he didn't it wasn't just his stage name, his name is Creed. So well, they're very they're cool names.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Um and it's I always like to hear how people get their names. Yeah. I'm just named John, so it's pretty cool. People don't ask me, where'd you get your name? Well, there's only three billion other people named that back in my day.
SPEAKER_07:But uh well, and they carry both of their grand other grandparents' middle names. So Ramsey has a double, good southern double middle name, Ramsey, Mae Susanna self. Wow, and Creed is Creed Murphy self, which is her dad's uh father, and uh both of them were World War II, uh sorry uh World War II veterans. One was in the Pacific, so Robert Murphy was in the Pacific. Uh her other grandfather, uh Blaine uh Ernest Blaine, who we've got a nephew who's named named after him, was in the in Europe, and then the two m uh grandmothers on her side.
SPEAKER_08:So Wow, very honorable names. Yeah. Polly, what are you doing for Thanksgiving?
SPEAKER_10:Uh, like we do every year, uh, everybody's coming to the house. Um, our oldest is coming from Alabama with our new grandbaby. So we'll be able to see him and uh of course Eliana's coming too. She's turning five next week, so we'll be able to see both of them.
SPEAKER_08:So um it's all that picture of you with that. Oh my gosh. It's different seeing you as a grandmother.
SPEAKER_10:It's so different. It's so awesome.
SPEAKER_07:How do your kids treat you? Because I tell my kids all the time that I'm gonna be a much more fun papa than I am as a parent.
SPEAKER_10:I am I am Eliana's best friend. In fact, I got a text this morning from Carrie that said Eliana was making you a picture because she wanted to make her best friend a picture. I am RBF actually.
SPEAKER_08:What does she call you?
SPEAKER_10:Lolly.
SPEAKER_08:Lolly. Lolly. Oh, that's cute.
SPEAKER_10:And I guess once your grandchild the first grandchild calls you, whatever you're gonna call you, that's what I'll be.
SPEAKER_08:Yep, for all of them. Yeah. What are you doing, Danica?
SPEAKER_03:Uh I don't know. I think we're going to my grandma's where she lives. In Greenwood.
SPEAKER_08:Oh, okay. So not far away.
SPEAKER_03:What you doing, John?
SPEAKER_08:I'm going to Ohio to see my mom. Yeah. Recently she had uh two different heart attacks. One was more serious than the other. And uh but she's fought her way back, and so I haven't seen her in a couple of years. So I'm gonna go up there and see her. Well, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. So looking forward to that. Tim, thanks so much for uh joining us. Thank you. We will have time now that we've gotten to know you and everything we do. Next time you come on, we're just gonna have a blast. Hey, listen. And you're gonna tell some stories about Holly, because I know you have to I'll just let you two do.
SPEAKER_09:We'll get those.
SPEAKER_08:If we promote that, listen, if you were ship, I bet's gonna go. Okay. All right, we'll hey we'll do it. We'll get out the giant boxing gloves and everything. Um but our thanks to uh Tim Self from the MF Foundation, the executive director there. And uh of course, as always, Holly and Danica couldn't have Zach because of our phone issues. But uh, after the holidays. Excellent, excellent. The Holidays.
SPEAKER_10:Holidays.
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